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Re:Wiki claim[edit source]

Hi TheSatanicSanta, questionpatches asked/recommended the admin role to me in a conversation we had. I'm from the official TBC Discord where he suggested I apply for the admin role on here and start to build the scaffolding for the page. Regarding the scaffolding, another member was going to be filling in the pages right after I created them but was pulled away for a family matter just after we started. I was going back in today to fill in those pages when I noticed they were all deleted/reverted and contacted Patches... MrMusicMan789 (talk) 03:03, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi. You can still build the scaffolding pages whether you are an administrator or not. I would recommend using the {{Stub}} template to mark these scaffolding pages as stubs, that way it doesn't look like random gibberish. I still feel that you should familiarize yourself more with MediaWiki editing before becoming an administrator, because there were consistent formatting issues on the pages you have created, such as using level 1 headers (which are reserved for page titles and almost never need to be used), changing categories when they are added by article message templates (i.e., {{Delete}} adds the Category:Candidates for deletion category, you do not need to add it yourself), etc. This is why I recommended going through some of the guides on the Gamepedia Help Wiki. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 18:58, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Also, if you link me the Discord I can join so we can talk in real-time, if you'd like. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 19:01, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Tabber Extension[edit source]

Good day! I've been looking to organizing some of the pages with the <tabber> extension (which I have used on many wikis in the past), but I realized after checking on the Gamepedia Help Wiki that the extension is by default disabled, but that I could request for the feature to be enabled. I'm not sure if I have the ability to do it myself and thought I should ask you about having the feature added. It would be much appreciated.

Additionally, I would like to ask a question about Skin Customization. Normally on Fandom Wikis, you could edit the appearance of the wiki by going to Special:ThemeDesigner, but Gamepedia does not work the same way. I read the Gamepedia Help Wiki on Skin Customization], but I ended up getting more confused. I'm not sure if I simply don't have access or I couldn't figure it out, but I'm not sure how and where the editing of the appearance of the wiki would take place. I would appreciate a short explanation on how one would do this.

On a last note, I've been working with a certain individual while working on the wiki ever since the start of my life as an admin. They've made considerable contributions to the wiki already and I personally believe that they're qualified for a higher position to help work alongside me. I'm worried that sometime in the future I might be gone for a few days or more at a time and I would like someone to help patrol the wiki while I'm gone. Since I do not have the power to promote people, would you be interested in promoting this person to help me with the wiki?

Many thanks!

Jae (azurajae) (talk) 08:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I've enabled Tabber. For skin customization, you have to edit the CSS at MediaWiki:Hydradark.css. If you are unfamiliar with CSS, you can ask me to make any changes you'd like and I'll do them. Who is the person? I can set it so that another person can claim the wiki, as you did, so you can both be wiki guardians/administrators. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 19:20, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for enabling Tabber and sorry for the late reply! I might need some help to change some of features in the Skin Customization since I'm not incredibly versed in CSS as much as I would like to admit, but the comrade I mentioned I was working with and I are still deciding on some colors and backgrounds, but I'll contact you when I'm able. The person that I was talking about is MusicMan789. He's been working with me since the beginning, we discuss things on discord messanger about the future of the wiki. He's been an awesome help. It would be great if you could make the claim available so he can help alongside me. Jae (azurajae) (talk) 08:05, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Tabbers Broken?[edit source]

Hey TheSatanicSanta, the past few days the tabbers on Journals and other pages here on our wiki have not been appearing as tabbers but instead shows the list of tabs, then displays the full list of tabs sequentially down the page. Do you know why this is happening or how azurajae or I can fix it? The tabbers for the Journals are kept in their own individual templates (the list of which you can find here: Category:Journals) while other tabbers can be found throughout the site. Neither azurajae or I have worked on the wiki the past week or two now. It was fine the last time I checked the Journals a little over a week ago. Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. MrMusicMan789 (talk) 00:31, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Is this still happening? I'm looking now and it looks fine. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 15:52, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
At least on my end, yeah. Only for Google Chrome. I also tried viewing the pages with Microsoft Edge and Firefox but they are fine. I've purged the page in Gamepedia, completely wiped Chrome's cache, but nothing is getting the tabs to appear again. Using Google Chrome, this is what it looks like.. Could just be a Chrome issue, but I am able to view the example tabs on Gamepedia Help just fine in Chrome. I checked with azurajae and they said they haven't encountered this tab display issue. Figured it was worth seeing if it was a Gamepedia update or something else that might have caused this because it's been viewing fine for the past few months until just recently. I'm checking with other frequent users of the wiki in the game's Discord to see if they are experiencing this too.MrMusicMan789 (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm on Chrome as well. I'm not sure what could be causing it to not work for you. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 18:12, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
(bump, sorry) Weird. It's still broken for me across multiple computers and on multiple networks (home, work, etc.). A few in our game's Discord server also mentioned they have problems viewing the tabs on their computers too - no word on what browser they're using, however. Sucks because it was working well for a while and really made some of the core content pages (e.g. the individual Major Powers pages) much more compact and easier to navigate when it suddenly stops working for some of us. Each page with tabs is almost broken in a different way from what I'm seeing - the Journals don't show any tabs but stack entries vertically, but the major powers actually show the tabs with the stacked entries, but the links don't do anything - I click on a tab and they all go dark (including the one I click on) as if I hadn't select a tab at all. I'd hate to have to reconfigure all the tabs into a new format, but if we can't get the tabbers working again it might be our best option. Best, MrMusicMan789 (talk) 23:51, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
It's possible it was a Tabber update that is causing this. I'll report the issue and get back to you. For now leave the pages as they are. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 04:09, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Quick update, but it appears tabbers are viewing normally on my laptop and desktop on Chrome now - Journals, Major Power pages, etc, are all appearing correctly. Not sure what caused it not to, but thank you for your help!
Glad to hear this is no longer an issue. I'm not aware of anything that actually changed, but if all is well all is well. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 23:11, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, seems I spoke to soon. Still broken on my regular desktop - pages like Unstoppable (and the others in the Major Powers group), and the Journals too. Those tabbers are also broken on my laptop too. Guess I just had a rare lucky moment this morning? I checked and there's at least one other wiki editor who can't get tabs to appear correctly. They're also using the most up-to-date version of Google Chrome.

Adding Template:Key, Maybe Even CommentSprite if possible[edit source]

Hi TheSatanicSanta, I was wondering if you could help us get the Template:Key activated for the wiki so we can add game controls. If it helps, we would only need Dark Keyboard, Light Keyboard, Xbox One, and PS4 controls. Best, MrMusicMan789 (talk) 20:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

P.S. We were also looking at the Minecraft wiki and saw their use of the CommentSprite templates. Would this be something we could implement here as well? If so, we'd be interested in using that. Thanks! MrMusicMan789 (talk) 03:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I've added the Key template and styles, but you'll have to set up a Controls page to fix the red links. As for the CommentSprite, we can set it up however the way Minecraft wiki does it is probably much more complicated than necessary here. You want all the CommentSprites listed there, yes? TheSatanicSanta (talk) 23:35, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Great, thank you so much. I'll set up that page right after this. For CommentSprite, indeed, we don't need that level of complexity at all. I think for simplicity, we could simplify the CommentSprite list down to three positions: (Tick), (Cross), and (Information) [3, 4, and 8, respectively, on the Minecraft wiki]. We want to use the CommentSprites in a similar fashion in responding to discussion pages when users request certain information be added/changed. I feel those three cover all the uses/needs we'd have. If it's possible, great, but if not, no worries at all. MrMusicMan789 (talk) 23:20, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Done, you can use it at {{CommentSprite}}. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 21:51, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Beautiful, thank you so much for your help! MrMusicMan789 (talk) 22:45, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Font to Add[edit source]

Hi TheSatanicSanta,

Sorry to be bugging you so much lately (thanks again for help with the sprites!), this time AzuraJae and I were wondering if you could help us add some fonts to the wiki. I confirmed with QuestionPatches in Discord the fonts the game uses and that they are all OFL Open Font License fonts. We would like to add these to the wiki so we can eventually use them across the site:

  1. Binder Style types: BStyle_R and BStyle_B
  2. Source Sans Pro types: Regular and Semi-Bold

I was also provided two fonts specifically for Cyrillic use:

  1. PT Mono
  2. Yanone Kaffeesatz

Thanks, -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 23:47, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

I added Source Sans Pro, and Binder should be added sometime soon (takes longer because it has to be uploaded to Gamepedia). Why do we need Cyrillic fonts, though? TheSatanicSanta (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! As for the Cyrillic fonts, the developers use them for accents and as the fonts for different languages that need these accents. However, looking through the game content we have, I don't see any accents in any of the content we have. In that case, ignore the Cyrillic fonts. Sorry about that! :D When both fonts are up, I'll talk with AzuraJae about how we'll proceed with the fonts (which may require your help, not sure yet) -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 15:00, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
BStyle has been added! TheSatanicSanta (talk) 17:05, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Awesome! Thank you so much! I'll respond here and let you know if we need your assistance with implementing the fonts (I'm trying not to bug you so much, hahaha - the game officially launches on Tuesday so I've been trying to prep a bunch of stuff like this ahead of time :D ). -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 17:09, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
So I spoke with AzuraJae and we figured out the configuration of the fonts for the Wiki we'd like to implement. We're not 100% certain on how to implement this in the CSS ourselves so we wanted to see if you could do it for us so we don't mess things up and waste time. We're looking to use BStyle_R as the font for headers, and Source Sans Pro Regular as the default font for the rest of the site. We tested font sizes and listed what we'd want to use here. We also set up a small test page where we confirmed these are the settings we would like to use. Thank you for everything! -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 03:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
I updated the CSS, let me know if it's what you're looking for TheSatanicSanta (talk) 22:57, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Wonderful! Yes, this is exactly what we were looking to do! Ahhh, I was almost right with how to do it, but I'm thankful you did it for us. I think our test underestimated the actual size of the fonts so I'm going to nudge them up in a minute (the sizes were partly a guess on our part); the structure is in place so I'm perfectly comfortable doing that. We did this to emulate the game's font styles and structure and it looks awesome. Man, what a perfect gift on the eve of the game's release! Thanks so much! :D -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 23:06, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Update: Actually... if you could help me with one thing: <h3> through <h6> headers (plus the header "Contents" in TOC's) are coming up bold. <h1> and <h2> headers are normal. I tried fixing this in the CSS, but I think I was looking at the wrong file. Any chance you could help me with this? An example page where you can see this is: Smartphone.
Should be good now. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 19:34, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! And sorry, one last tiny piece to the CSS - the TOC headings show up bold still. I can see in Chrome's debugger that it's using h3 headings, but it's still coming up bold. Tried searching around in the CSS files for where this could be overridden with no success. -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 03:22, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Fixed TheSatanicSanta (talk) 20:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, you're the best! Ah, I was close...ish with figuring that out. Hopefully this is the last CSS we adjust for a while. -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 01:24, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Extensions & Near-Future Things[edit source]

Hi TheSatanicSanta, azurajae and I wanted to see about adding the following extensions to the Wiki:

  1. Extension:Drafts
  2. Extension:PageForms
  3. Extension:Popups
  4. Replace Text
  5. RevisionSlider
  6. SimpleTooltip
  7. SyntaxHighlight GeSHi (really, any syntax highlighter/formatter will work, we just saw this one in the Extension list)

There are also some things we are still researching and considering, but I want to let you know about these now as a heads up that they could be coming:

We have users from the community interesting in using the wiki to discuss the game's deep, deep lore and their many theories surrounding it. We know this is relatively uncommon for a wiki to tackle, but this is an unusual game with how heavy it is on speculation with very little confirmed outright in the game (has made for some difficult wiki building the past few months, hahaha......). We saw Wowpedia had a Forum, as well as the Fallout wiki and others, and we think this could be a way for the wiki to support this part of the community since that content is not appropriate for articles. We were wondering if something like this could eventually be set up for this site in the future. We still would want to find a true "moderator" for the forum before we pursue this since neither azurajae or I believe we could do that ourselves (and I already mod the TBC Discord on top of this), but we wanted to see if a forum is something that could be added eventually and if there is anything else in the process of adding the forum we would need to do.
Russian Translation Interest
Members reached out asking about making translations for the Wiki in Russian. I explained to them Gamepedia's process and what they would need to do (e.g. recreate the main page and translate it, plus several other articles, and find someone to be that language's admin). We have not heard back yet but I wanted to give you a heads up that the interest it there and it could be something coming in the future. The fonts the wiki uses now (BStyle and Source Sans Pro) do not support Cyrillic, so we may have to uploaded the two alternate fonts the game uses in my first message about fonts above.

Best, -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 14:53, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Extensions: I enabled Popups, ReplaceText, RevisionSlider, and SimpleTooltip. As for Drafts and Page Forms I'd like to hear an explanation of the use case before enabling them, because they are much more significant extensions than the others. As for Syntax Highlight, that extension enables highlighting in <pre> and <syntaxhighlight> tags, not the wiki editor. If you want wiki editor syntax highlighting, we can enable CodeMirror. Let me know which you'd like.
Forum: I believe the extension used on WoW is DPLforum. Let's touch base on this again in the future.
Russian: Thanks for letting me know.
TheSatanicSanta (talk) 22:07, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for enabling those extensions!
  • Ah, yes, CodeMirror please. :)
  • Page Forms - we can ignore this, as investigating much deeper into its functionalities and complexities, it's probably not what we need.
  • Drafts - azurajae said "since we do a lot of things before pages are open to public, it'd be easier to set it up behind the scenes without prying eyes while we test new things for pages." I think it would be good so we can start testing, building, and designing pages that aren't really ready for "primetime" publishing yet. For example, we have what will become a massive page on a complex and confusing system in the game called Sins. I'm working with the developers of Question LLC (like questionpatches) to fill out this page because there is a lot of confusion about how it works, what action is in what category, etc. As the game continues to develop and evolve and explode with content, we foresee having this issue with other topics in the game too.
-- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 02:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  • CodeMirror has been enabled.
  • Okay.
  • Generally, when I have to do this, I use userspace sandbox pages (e.g., one of my sandboxes/drafts on FTB). Is this method insufficient for what you two would like? If so, I will enable it — just trying to avoid bloat :) TheSatanicSanta (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Ahh, we hadn't thought to set up a userspace sandbox! That will work just fine. The Drafts extension is not needed. :D Thanks! -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 13:48, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Extension:Popups Fix[edit source]

Hi TSS, quick question. The popups extension is working great, but previews are appearing too low on most items. I see in the Extension:Popups page, that there is code to fix this. It's unclear after reading the page and the MediaWiki page's information where this should be added. I want to guess it's MediaWiki:Hydradark.css, but I don't want to assume. If you could help us with this fix, we'd appreciate it, but we're not in a rush! (For reference, this issue with links - my mouse is hovering over the text for "Lucids", but the preview appears over top the link, causing the preview to strobe/oscillate). Thanks! -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 02:23, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Should be fixed, lemme know if it's what you wanted (didn't use exactly the same code as in that help page). TheSatanicSanta (talk) 23:18, 29 August 2019 (UTC).
Perfect, thanks! -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 23:31, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Annotation Template & Improving Interaction Reporting[edit source]

Hi TSS, we've been looking into how to clean up some of the big pages we have on the wiki and/or trying to make them a bit friendlier. I was wondering if you knew of any template or extension we could use to achieve the same effects as the Template:Annotation on Wikipedia could achieve, to layer text atop an image. Specifically, looking to use this ability on pages like The Voices, The Maze, and Redacre, to name a few. If it's not possible, no worries, just thought I'd inquire about the possibility.

We're also wondering if you have ideas on how to help us improve the wiki regarding users reporting their interactions. These are pretty atypical for a normal wiki to use/need (then again, this is an atypical game in many regards), but it's how this game shares information and knowledge to players and then we use that to cite information added to articles. It's made for some difficult wiki-building to say the least... The gist of what happens is player(s) have a random encounter during a mission with one of the "Voices" of the game (as an example, you can see one I had on Friday in this - 2:10-2:50 is probably the most interesting bit to an observer), then some players report what they learn on the various Category:Player Interactions. We've gone through a lot of designs on those pages. I'm trying to figure out a way to make them friendly to use (which, despite the tabbers efficiency in keeping pages organized, has made for some headaches for new editors - we made a "sandbox" that users can drop interactions into so more experienced members can get them into the page, but this isn't efficient...). If you have suggestions on how we might improve these pages to make them more friendly to contribute to, please let us know. People threw around the idea of a subpage for each user, or making it so a single interaction has its own page, but the fear is how that would bloat the number of articles on the site and might create numerous orphaned pages. Also considered a new namespace as well to keep things organized, but that doesn't address the core issue we face right now.

Best, -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 15:57, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

For the first one, yes, we can enable the ImageMap extension. For the second one, I believe PageForms would resolve this issue. Take a look at these extensions and let me know if it's what you're looking for. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 23:59, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Ah, thank you - yes, both of those will be perfect for what we're looking to achieve. -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 19:25, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
They've been enabled :) TheSatanicSanta (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you so much! -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 21:10, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

New Namespace[edit source]

Hi TheSatanicSanta, reaching out about setting up a new namespace. I know things have been a bit quiet on here, but that's because the TBC community has grown online to become quite massive (the TBC Discord is at 4800 and growing more every hour...). The community is interested in making the Wiki a centralized home for information about the game so things will be bustling on here in the coming days and weeks.

I think I've mentioned before how players have unique interactions in game (it's unconventional for most games, but that's how this one disseminates info on lore and plots). We want to separate these from the main content articles and change what information is shared in an interaction, so I think a new namespace is the best way for us to keep us organized. We wanted to see about creating a new namespace called Player Interactions where we will eventually house all the Player Interactions since the current system is unable to support the scale of interactions players are having. Players also want to be able to house their full transcripts from these experiences here on the wiki, which would make some of these current articles incredibly long (you'd be scrolling for hours just to see a fraction of all interactions). I've talked with some in the community and we've formulated a gameplan on how to make this new namespace work, so if it'd be possible to have that set up we'd greatly appreciate it. Might take a few days/weeks for us to get rolling with it though since my semester is also keeping me quite busy, haha.

Best, -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 00:04, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Do you think you could explain or summarize the gameplan for the new namespace? Also, I'll go ahead and join the Discord :) TheSatanicSanta (talk) 18:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Welcome to the server! :D
So the current set of interaction pages are not ideal in their current state since a vast majority of players host their transcripts on Google Drive and these could be deleted/moved at any moment. The community is (finally) getting behind the idea of centralizing information in the Wiki, and that includes wanting to use the Wiki as the place for players to share these in-game experiences. The draw of this new system is the ability to easily add player experiences (in full) that are important to the info on the site, and it would make us become the one-stop shop for info on gameplay and lore in the game. The current interaction system requires synthesizing what can be up to a half-hour long experience dense with information into just a few bullet points. We think this new namespace will fix these issues and bring more people to the Wiki to read interactions, read content, and perhaps take a moment to make an edit or two.
The Plan:
  • A "home"/landing page for interactions, including info and links about interactions, how to submit an interaction, a list of popular topics discussed in an interaction (using Categories -- see the third point), and perhaps in the future we'll pursue a list of "recently submitted" interactions and other dynamic content.
  • A PageForm to allow players to create/edit an interaction
  • New categories specific to these interactions - the community has expressed great interest in being able to see groupings of interactions specific to the player(s) in them, the topics talked about, the character in the interaction, etc.
  • Transitioning out the old interaction pages for the new namespace. This includes moving all the interactions in the current pages the Wiki into this namespace with the new system, closing down the Player Interactions Sandbox.
In the namespace itself, readers would be able to focus specifically on interactions and the information within them:
  • Could look up groups of interactions about a particular subject or character
  • Read one interaction per article without having to read a summary or leaving the site. As we've seen the past +6 months with the current interaction pages, multiple interactions to a page are not long-term or ideal solutions and truncates too much info from the experience.
  • Have a place for readers to submit interactions of their own with the form submission, which is then used to update and improve the content of the main articles. As we've told members of the community, the Wiki is only as good as the interactions you share on it.
I think I've said before, we've sorta had to do unconventional things on this Wiki for this game, and I consider this another one of those unconventional things. I'd not normally suggest building out a place in the official Wiki for players to post experiences they have in-game, but I do now because it's so crucial (and such a massive part of this game) and this is an unconventional game in many regards too, hahaha.
-- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 00:10, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Would it perhaps make more sense to have Player Interactions be that "landing page" you described in point #1, and then have all the interactions as subpages to Player Interactions? Or is there some reason that is not feasible? TheSatanicSanta (talk) 02:20, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
We thought about a series of subpages, but we would end up with 2, 3, or more levels of nesting (sub-sub-...-pages) and that will make content harder to find for our average wiki reader. The game has about a dozen characters that players have these interactions with and that number of characters is still increasing as the game evolves. We're (azurajae and I) not sure subpages will be our best option down the line. If we had just a few characters, that would work, but it's hard to predict if/when the game will limit the number of characters players have these unique experiences with. We liked the idea of the namespace since in an advanced search, you can filter the query to the individual interaction namespace which would allow you to filter out regular content articles in the search. Because these are self-reported interactions, we also have to treat them (even my own, haha) with some amount of skepticism since interactions can and have been faked/modified/manipulated when they are shared. We want to make sure the division in how the wiki treats main content and player interactions is clear.
In short, the namespace would let us more easily grow and expand the topic of player interactions as the game evolves, will let users search for specific content and find it faster, and will help maintain some level of abstraction in how the wiki treats main content articles versus the player-reported experiences.
-- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 19:22, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Gotcha, that makes sense. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 16:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for setting that up! I'll be working on getting it set up maybe today and a little more later this week and into next week before it starts to see a lot of activity, so don't fret if there's no activity in it for a few days :D -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

PageForms - CSS fix[edit source]

Hi TheSatanicSanta This is a really small thing, but would it be possible to adjust the CSS for the PageForms submission? When I go to Special:CreateForm, all of the "Other Parameters" are impossible to read because of the background color. I would attempt to do this myself, but I'd rather not break anything since my CSS skills are still somewhat novice. I can make by for now by highlighting the text with my cursor so I can read it, but it's a bit inefficient. (Image of issue) Again, if possible to fix, great, but if not it's nothing that impedes me from setting up the form. Thanks. -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 18:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Fixed TheSatanicSanta (talk) 19:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks so much! -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 19:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Interaction Form - Two Questions[edit source]

Hi TheSatanicSanta, thanks again for setting up the new namespace! Progress is going great with the form and getting things ready for the namespace to be filled up. And as always, here I am again with two more questions :) . These are related to the form and a future feature I want to set up for the namespace:

  1. Is it possible to add Extension:VEForAll? In the new Form:Player Interactions I'm setting up, I want to allow users to be able to format their text area input with the visual editor. This extension is required to allow those editing capabilities in the form, according to the Page Forms documentation (here).
  2. Once the form in the point above is finished and users start submitting interactions (within a few days to a week), I wanted to set up some lists on Player Interactions:Home since that page will become the hub for interactions. My thinking was in addition to basic info about interactions, there could be small lists of the popular categories of interactions (this I can do no problem right now). I also wanted to add some dynamic lists of recently-added submissions and a few lists of new submissions within a specific category. I don't know if there's anything we have right now that allows us to do something like this. I've seen the DynamicPageList extension and it looks a lot like what I'm aiming to achieve. This feature could be applied to more areas of the site as well, not just this page. Please let me know what you think and if you know a better way to achieve something like this.

Best, -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 23:12, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

  1. VEForAll cannot be added at this time, as it has to be vetted by the Gamepedia developers. I will put in a request for that right now.
  2. DynamicPageList is the correct extension for doing that, and it's a very useful tool indeed, so I will enable that and get it set up.
TheSatanicSanta (talk) 23:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you so much! Yeah, I noticed after submitting this that the VEForAll was technically still in a beta form. If it's easier to do, I can set it up using the wikieditor parameter, though I think that needs to be installed too (or I need to check the syntax...) since it does not come up after setting that parameter. Ultimately, we just want to offer some simple rich-formatting features (bold, italics, etc.) that novice editors can use.
-- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 01:13, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Timeline Idea[edit source]

Hey TheSatanicSanta, hope your new year is off to a good start. I was wondering if you have thoughts on how we might best show a timeline of events on an article. This game has many events that have occurred over the past year and a half. These events shape the plot and continue to unfold before players in-game. I want to find a quick, easy way to display them on a dedicated article so users can interact with the events and get a better understanding of the progression of the game (each event having its own article). Thing is, the timeline isn't straightforward and somewhat messy, so a purely text-based timeline doesn't feel suitable. I am thinking a visual timeline would be more user-friendly, visually appealing, and easy to comprehend since events overlap across each other, happen simultaneously through different intervals, involve different topics, etc. I saw Extension:EasyTimeline that could be an option, but if you have other recommendations please let me know! -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 22:35, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Right now, the only option is EasyTimeline. The other timeline extension that I'm aware of is InteractiveTimeline, however it is not approved for Gamepedia yet so I would have to put in a request (as I did for VEForAll). TheSatanicSanta (talk) 01:52, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
No problem, EasyTimeline will definitely work (no need to go through any vetting/requests for a non-approved extension, haha). We're in no rush for adding the extension however as it's something I'm still hammering out final details on with other members of the community. Thanks!
Actually, speaking of VEForAll and the Page Forms, that reminds me that I've not been able to get the visual editor to appear in a text area and am unsure why. The form is Form:Player Interactions, the issue is with the "Transcript" section at the very bottom where users have a textarea to enter their transcript of the event. The form does not show any editor whatsoever. The specific line for the text area is
{{{field|1|input type=textarea|autogrow|editor=visualeditor|placeholder=Paste or type the transcript here.}}}
I just ran some tests to see if it was another parameter causing issue and am now wondering if I'm using the incorrect syntax or if there is a deeper issue since I'm also unable to use the wikieditor type too. The wikieditor used to work several weeks ago. Our version of Page Forms is 4.5.1 which is above the minimum required for VEForAll, so I'm not sure what could cause both editor types to not appear unless it is the way I'm defining the textarea. Any ideas on how to fix this or what might be causing this? -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 05:49, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Just enabled EasyTimeline, should be available very soon. VEForAll has not been approved yet, it's still pending review. From my understanding, once it's been approved and enabled, that code should work. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 21:06, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Ah, thanks. Regarding the timeline extension, I set up a test page first so could I check that it works, could go and play around with the syntax, and start testing out how we'll be using it but the image is not rendering. Is it possible a component is not installed or it's not compatible with GP? I was using a sample timelines from the MW page to test things but the timeline image is not rendering for any I try to create. -- MrMusicMan789 (talk) 00:45, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the issue is, it should be working. I've submitted a ticket and will let you know any updates. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 00:39, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Bot Interest[edit source]

Hey TheSatanicSanta, I've been considering setting up a bot account for myself on our wiki here. I've been finding myself over the past few months doing a lot of repetitive and simple tasks over and over across dozens and sometimes hundreds of articles (e.g. categories, section headings, redirects, etc.). Now with the Wiki growing at a faster pace with content and editors and the Player Interactions side of the Wiki has just over 420 articles (that's only about half of all the interactions in our backlog at the current moment), so I think while I have the time early in my summer break, it is worth doing now rather than later. I haven't done anything regarding setup since the help article mentions first expressing interest here with you. I haven't settled fully on what type of bot; I'm leaning strongly towards Pywikibot over AWB, but if you have suggestions I'd appreciate them. Best, MrMusicMan789 (talk) 03:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC).

Well, myself and another administrator, xbony2, of the Official Feed The Beast Wiki created and maintain the MediaWiki API library for Ruby, called MediaWiki-Butt. If you have scripting experience and can get the hang of Ruby (or if you're familiar already) it's pretty simple and most of the API is covered by wrapper methods. It's what I use for all my bot work. Personally, I am not a fan of AWB just because I like to know exactly what I'm doing (as in, what requests to the API are being made, with what parameters, etc.), and I've never used Pywikibot because I don't use Python very often. However, I know lots of people use both so I'm sure they get the job done. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Ooooh, interesting - thank you! While I've neither worked directly with API requests before nor worked extensively in Ruby (I have familiarity with the language since some of my physics research is done using Ruby, but that's largely "black-box" :/ ), I do have familiarity with both. Looking through the documentation for MediaWiki-Butt, it looks quite straightforward to me once I brush up my Ruby syntax. Yeah, control over knowing the requests and parameters is really nice and appreciated. In that case then, having spent time digging through the documentation, you've made a convincing argument and I will go forward using MediaWiki-Butt per your suggestion. Let me know what info you require and what the next steps you'd like me to do. I'm assuming I'll need to create a new account for the bot which I had yet to do pending our discussion here, but let me know if there's anything else. I've already begun following the steps on the README file on github for installation and should have that squared away soon.MrMusicMan789 (talk) 05:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Yep, you'll need a separate account for the bot. Let me know what its name is and I'll give it the needed rights. Then you use Special:BotPasswords to create a bot password with all the rights you need, which you'll use when calling login in MW Butt. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 17:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Here it is: Mrmusicbot456 (weirdly the CamelCaps nomenclature didn't register, but not having it helps differentiate it more). I may comment here again later regarding setup because I kept getting errors trying to get the MW Butt gem linked up.MrMusicMan789 (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for setting up the bot with the perms. I was running into some weird errors the other day trying to get the gem installed but I think it's finally set. Do you have any sort of example or test I could try running to make sure everything is set up properly? I've not been this hands-on with Ruby or scripting in probably a year or two now, so I want to make sure I've not made a mistake somewhere. Thanks, MrMusicMan789 (talk) 20:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
You can check #user_bot? to make sure you're logged into a bot account. I'd also recommend setting the :assertion property to :bot when creating the MediaWiki::Butt instance to be safe. TheSatanicSanta (talk) 18:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)